[PA-book] Thorgal, fils de fish ! New Challenge 2K => 10K en Spin

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Petite main…

Vilain 3 est un reg de la limite.
Vous en pensez quoi?

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Hero est Thorgall, Vilain 4 c’est moi et Thorgall le sait.

Mon call peut paraitre douteux mais entre Thorgall et vilain tendances nits UTG, et surtout c’est mon avant dernière main de la soirée, toutes les autres tables sont sitout.

Flop à la fois sympa et chiant, je pars dans l’idée de check/raise… bah non…

J’overbet river en me disant qu’un des deux joueurs payera, de préférence UTG que j’ai pastillé avec une couleur signifiant “m’a fait un coup de pute” mais je ne sais plus pourquoi…
Et puis en NL4 je tente des trucs :slight_smile:

Bref, tout ça pour dire que sur ce spot, call ne sert à rien, tu es battu par les flushs, les fulls…

Donc fais gaffe, je peux faire de la merde river, mais en général contre les fishs :wink:
Idem contre les autres regs, sauf notes contraires!
Je vais poster ma courbe totale de NL4 sur mon blog, pas pour me vanter, mais te montrer qu’en sachant folder river (sauf exceptions mais sur des joueurs très précis!), cela peut fonctionner correctement!

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Faut pas se focaliser que sur l’action préflop, là tu lead en betpot 3 fois tu représente tellement strong faut pas croire qu’il va faire tapis river avec moins bien que flush max voir même full.

C’est comme la 1ère main bon ta touché DP c’est infoldable ici mais regarde bien son action, x/minraise turn et bet cher river c’est jamais du bluff, si tu te retrouve contre des lignes similaire fold sera surement la bonne décision. Sorte de baluga du x/minraise.

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Aller, c’est assez pour ce soir, je suis bien dégoûté du jeux que j’ai produit.
j’ai fait que de la merde ce soir, BR de retour a 100 €, va falloir se sortir les doigts du **** si je veux la crush cette NL4.

Merci PA pour tes conseils ( oui je te tutoies maintenant )

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[quote=“Elrix, post:842518”]Petite main…

Vous en pensez quoi?[/quote]

Si utg est nit faut pas que Thorgal 3bet JJ

Peu être mieux de fold AK pf

Je sais pas si x/r flop > lead, on est cruch par 5 combos de set et on en value environ le double de AQ/QKs et quelque Ahxh.

Fold sur overbet, très souvent AK/QQ en face.

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J’overbet river en me disant qu’un des deux joueurs payera, de préférence UTG que j’ai pastillé avec une couleur signifiant “m’a fait un coup de pute” mais je ne sais plus pourquoi…

Moi river je touche ma quinte dans un pot 3bet. j’ai un bloqueur pour le coeur, personne a bouger une oreille jusqu’à river…

Bah oui, j’ai pas pu check/raise :smiley:
Ensuite, turn j’ai les nuts (ou presque, s’il y a une royale!), j’attends de voir si un vilain tente un truc.

Bref, tout ça pour dire que sur ce spot, call ne sert à rien, tu es battu par les flushs, les fulls…


C’est si courant que ca les full et flush ? Certes ce soir j’ai vu que ca mais quand meme.
Cela dis, tu as raison, j’aurai du fold… j’aurai du passer ma ***** de soirée a fold toute facon…

AQs, AKs, KK, QQ voir un ATs bien content de toucher rien que pour le plus lourd!

Donc fais gaffe, je peux faire de la merde river, mais en général contre les fishs :wink:

justement je suis un tres bon cas de fish pour tes moves.

[color=#4444bb]Pas du tout, mais je pense que tu es dans un état mental proche du mien lorsque j’ai tenté la NL4 et que j’ai fini pas m’accrocher à n’importe quoi puis pareil en NL10, tout ça parce que tu manque encore de confiance.

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[quote=“trunkcorp500, post:842540”]
Si utg est nit faut pas que Thorgal 3bet JJ

Peu être mieux de fold AK pf

Je sais pas si x/r flop > lead, on est cruch par 5 combos de set et on en value environ le double de AQ/QKs et quelque Ahxh.

Fold sur overbet, très souvent AK/QQ en face.[/quote]

Pas ultranit, mais des stats assez serrées à cette position, donc oui, 3bet JJ est un peu juste je pense.

Flop, je me pose la même question.

1448

Notre fils de fish est en train de craquer…

1449

Allez thorgal , l’idée n’est vraiment pas de t’accabler et on est TOUS passé par là (à part peut être les génies des cartes mais ça c’est un sur 100.000 IMAO :laugh: ).

Si je ne peux te donner qu’un conseil (car des fois la multiplication, fait que l’on se noie un peu avant de réussir à tous les absorber).

Sur les 4 dernières mains que tu as posté on retrouve 2 fois LE moove standard de la NL2/4 dont on parle à longueur de blogs des joueurs de micro de PA.
Je veux bien evidemment parler du FAMEUX check/minreraise à la turn qui est TOUJOURS les nuts (où sa fameuse variante Bet 1 blind/ minreraise). Hormis nuts dans ta main sur ce moove je pense qu’il faut fold.

Courage l’ami :slight_smile:

1450

j’avoue oui je craque un peu.
j’ai passé ma soirée a toucher du jeux sympa sauf qu’en fasse il y avait toujours mieux.

je vois ma BR fondre et je me demande même comment j’ai fait pour qu’elle grimpe jusqu’a 100… j’ai du bien chatter faut croire ^^

le positif, c’est que j’ai quitté les tables avant de balancer des caves a tour de bras façon degene ( meme si certains me diront que c’est deja fait )

1451

Même si cela peut paraître chiant, essaye de rejouer un peu en Nl2 et vois si tu ressens une différence par rapport à avant.

1452

Slt Thorgal perso je trouve que tu surjoue tes OP et donc surement tes TPTK je sais que certains reg de nl50+ n’arrête pas de dire qu’il faut pas lâcher OP surtout en micro ou les joueurs font n’imp mais perso a part être contre un degen ce qui est assez rare en micro. le profil standard étant CS passive donc quand ça raise à un moment dans la main c’est en général mieux que TP ou OP.
Sur les 2 mains avec les AA tu peux juste call Flop est aviser Turn.

Allez courage et à force de t’en prendre tu apprendra a les lacher :wink:

Au passage je te prend la serie des video pslive avec artplay Mathoune :wink:

1453

Oui, mais pas tout le temps! Il y a du fric à se faire à call les river sur des spots bancales!

[spoiler]Dans tous les cas, faut commencer à call ces spots là pour savoir si c’est good ou pas! Vaut mieux casser ses dents de lait en NL4 plutôt que spew ses gencives en 10![/spoiler]

1454

Joli call tu nous donne ton raisonnement?

1455

Pour renaître de ses cendres tel le Phenix, à n’en pas douter! Endurant ce mec là!

1456

on va voir en fonction de la session de demain mais je trouve ca contre productif perso. j’ai la BR, faut juste que je m’applique et trouve le bouton fold.

au fond de moi sur chaque coup, je savais que je devais fold…

mais en effet, quand on a du jeux, que ca run good, c’est easy le poker. C’est sur le bouton fold qu’il y a le plus de value a faire finalement. et c’est la que je peche pour le moment

Merci tous, on se revoit demain ! je vais rêver de fold.

Je fold
tu folds
il fold
nous foldons
vous foldez
ils foldent

mais tu vas folder bordel de **** thorgal !

la thérapie est en route ^^

1457

Af: 4,9 et VS miss cbet: >50% :laugh:

1458

Le bouton fold est pas forcément ce qu’il y a de plus important à mon sens. Il est important pour préserver ta BR, clairement. Mais ce sur quoi tu dois te concentrer, c’est la range adverse et ta range perçue par le mec en face.

1459

Je me permets juste d’ajouter, réévaluer la valeur “relative” de ta main postflop.
ÉDIT: il manquait un mot

1460

T’as rarement nut absolue au poker. :slight_smile:

EDIT: Aaah! J’ai répondu complétement à côté de la plaque! :laugh: